In this candid conversation, Susanne and Jac explore the often-unspoken challenges of contemporary spiritual leadership, including how power, status, and competition can shape spiritual spaces and pull teachers away from humility, authenticity, and ongoing human growth.

 

Drawing on personal experience and Jac’s work with the Association for Spiritual Integrity, they highlight the importance of accountability, self-honesty, and deep integration in spiritual teaching, as well as the risks of over-identifying with the role of teacher.

 

Throughout, Susanne and Jac invite both teachers and students to embrace imperfection, honor their humanity, and integrate awakening into everyday life with courage, discernment, and integrity.

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Watch the interview here.